So... Therapeutic tarot?!

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So... Therapeutic tarot?!

Post by Geekuma » 05 Dec 2017, 20:19

I was wondering:
what is your take on Therapeutic tarot?

I first learned tarot reading from a guy who uses tarot for therapeutical purposes, so I symphatize with the principle, and find it very helpful. But I also think that, as a client, I'd feel a little sad if I left a tarot reading without even a little peek on "what's to come". Also, I've done some reading on the matter and I felt some therapeutic readers seem to think less of the divinatory ones. Or maybe I've been reading the wrong sources hehehe. Anyway, I don't think either one is best, I guess both have their strenghts and weaknesses.
Although I've read in AT that it divides tarot readers, I don't see the problem in conciliating divinatory and therapeutical methods. Actually, I think they get along quite nicely. What do you people think about the therapeutical approach?

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Re: So... Therapeutic tarot?!

Post by fractalgranny » 05 Dec 2017, 22:58

Well, I'm a counsellor by profession and guess what, I'm not crazy about telling the future. Although that may come more from having a solid scientific/critical thinking background. Jodorovsky, a firm proponent of the psychological aspects of tarot, says people who foretell the future are "con men" (here http://www.openculture.com/2016/10/alex ... ation.html) I wouldn't go that far. Another proponent of a psychological approach, Arthur Rosengarten, talks about "possibilities" and I think that's a lovely way of bringing the future in. Of course, in a way, we're always foretelling the future - pretty much every time we say "I will" or "I'm going to." :icon_e_smile:

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Re: So... Therapeutic tarot?!

Post by Michael Sternbach » 05 Dec 2017, 23:26

I have been using Tarot for therapeutical purposes already in my work with a psychiatrist back in the 90's, both in individual sessions and group settings. But I did not exclude the esoteric and divinatory aspects - while emphasizing the individual's power to shape their own future.

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Re: So... Therapeutic tarot?!

Post by Geekuma » 05 Dec 2017, 23:34

Oh, I was hoping to get answers like those!
I don't really know if the future is set in stone, and I do like the idea of one being able to change it, but I believe in fortune telling to some extent. I like the idea of "possibilities" far more than the idea of "certainties" too!

I think in the end it's all about people and intuition, and how much you believe your intuition can see and predict things. Since the subconscious and the intuition are wrapped in mistery, I don't think we could discard divination.

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Post by CharlotteK » 06 Dec 2017, 02:07

I use Tarot for Personal Growth in the main and when I read for friends and family it's mostly about reading around a situation - the influencing factors and the options for action that would be most likely to result in the outcome they seek.

I don't feel comfortable making hard predictions about the future. I believe in free will and that the future is not fixed. I think Tarot can show what is most likely to happen as a result of present conditions playing out and a querent pursuing particular course of action. For me it's a slice in time, a snapshot of a particular point in a person's life. We can learn a lot from taking time to look at these slices in more detail and see what is going on.

Tarot offers up clues for how future events may unfold. But in many cases these events can be shaped and knowledge gives us the power to do that. In some situations however the querent doesn't have much influence and the future may be more predictable. I don't look down on fortune tellers who can pinpoint very specific events and outcomes, its just not something I can do very well and isn't what use Tarot for.

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Re: So... Therapeutic tarot?!

Post by Nemia » 06 Dec 2017, 02:32

I use tarot mainly for personal growth and that's why I wanted the subforum viewforum.php?f=222 where I catch my ideas how to connect all kind of inner matters and tarot.

I'm no therapist, only an educator of many years, teacher and teacher's teacher, and I believe in the power of the human mind to overcome problems and recognize itself.

Tarot is a wonderful tool for self reflection and world reflection. There are therapists who use it as such. I'm strictly an amateur in every sense of the word.

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Post by theFeeLion » 06 Dec 2017, 15:13

I'm of a similar opinion as the others here. I do a lot for personal growth or about situations etc. I'm not adverse to doing predictive readings, I have done them in the past for myself. However, I believe that any future predictions are only what may happen if things keep going in the direction they are going at the time of the reading. So I try to take them with a grain of salt. The other part of it is that I may read the cards incorrectly for the situation and garble the message or misinterpret it, as you find in may stories that contain prophecies. It's happened to me in the past where I didn't want to believe the right message from the cards so looked at it differently, it wasn't until after the event that I looked back at the cards and completely understood what they were warning about. Another point to make is that predictive readings could create a kind of self-fulfilling prophecy where the outcome would have been different if the querient hadn't had the cards read in the first place.

As you can see future stuff is a tricky topic for me. I think I read too much fantasy lol
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Re: So... Therapeutic tarot?!

Post by DownUnderNZer » 10 Dec 2017, 00:18

I think both are fine and can complement the other like you mentioned above.

I have never ever seen my readings as "predictive" at all which is ironic really. And even now I do not see them that way. To me, it is just what the cards are revealing whether the past, now, or future. If it happens - it happens. If it doesn't - it doesn't.

Some say there is a 70% accuracy, but I have come across some that are uncannily accurate to a fault and down to timing which borders on 95%-100%.

Nothing is set in stone and there are always going to be variables like free will and natural disasters.

When I first started out it was "playing cards" that I began with and I had no one to talk to (just practice on) and a torn out magazine section to go by for guidance. No rules or advice.

I think both can be combined depending on the querent and what they want to know.

BTW I am not talking about Tarot although looking back at some of the readings I did on AT as a Tarot learner those were quite accurate on people I did in my life like my two nieces and friend when she was going through a bad divorce. Myself too when I come to think about it.

With one female (sister's friend) I did a reading for her twice over 2 or 3 years and both times it was therapeutic and predictive I suppose. She was told she could never have children and had been trying for some years and had miscarried once or twice.

Health and Death though are not usually areas anyone should be looking at, however, as it was about having kids health naturally came into it.

I saw her having a child (Lenormand) and a little boy because of the SUN I think that came after TREE or CHILD but I also saw what were the issues as to why she was not conceiving. E.g. Polycystic Ovaries/Hormones/ Endometritis etc.

The therapeutic side to it came into the situation with reassuring her and telling her that it is what I saw - a baby. I did not see it any other way and if there was no child I would have told her that as well. No sugar coating anything. I could only tell her what the cards revealed and nothing more.

I told her about seeing a specialist and what needed to be looked at and she did do it more or less straight away and it did come up in tests that she had Polycystic Ovaries and hormonal issues. Took her about 2 years to get it sorted and she did get pregnant but miscarried shortly after.

So, she came back to me after that as she was totally devastated. In front of me was this young vibrant woman who had done all the right things and finally got pregnant only to lose it early on and all she ever wanted was a baby.

No change in the cards. I still saw a baby and a boy and told her these exact words:

You will get pregnant within the next 2 weeks, 2 months up to 2 years.


She got pregnant about 2 weeks later and did not lose it this time and had that baby she so longed for the same year. A very well loved and cared for child I might add. A little boy.


To me though it was not about being predictive or telling someone's futuree - I only told her what I saw in the cards and nothing more. But in doing so I gave her the reassurance she needed and confidence in herself that she would become a mother.
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