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Post by Nemia » 06 Jul 2017, 15:14

For most of us, they're the most difficult part of the deck.

When are they aspects of ourselves, when outside persons? How do we read them? So much literature, so many web articles, so many explanations and theories.

Which do you like and find helpful, which confusing? How do you read court cards?

I'll answer here for myself.

First of all, I don't see really such a difference between "another person" and "an aspect of myself". There is a connection between me and every other person in my world, and that connection is specific - there is a similarity where we connect. So the Queen of Swords can mean my super-intelligent, critical and clear-headed friend D., but she can also mean my appreciation of her qualities and our connection which consists of clear and critical communication. I have my "inner D." and the Queen of Swords can mean both. In a reading, this Queen can mean D. and my need for her or where I try to be like her. Can't really explain that very well...

From what I read about court cards, I like Anna K.'s idea of reading the court cards not as person but as mental attitudes or stages. The Page is the inner preparation, the Knights the spirit of action, the Queens as inner character, values or moods and the Kings as outward character. That helps to keep the categories of traditional court card readings open: even when we're in our Fifties, the moment we start on a new project and prepare ourselves for it, we're Pages. Queens can reflect a man's inner world, Kings a woman's outwards actions - that really breaks up the "blonde woman" scheme.

I don't use them as significators since I feel we all have more than one inner court card - actually, we have them all. I like Jean Shinoda Bolen's metaphor of the inner board meeting (when she talks about inner archetypes) - who is chairing my inner board meeting right now?

I do like the Personality Types theory, and I think about the different categories to understand each court card, but I don't use a fix scheme to assign a type to each court card (although the number 16 adds up neatly for both). I do like to consider where on the skala between introvvert vs extrovert, between thinking vs feeling, between intuition vs sensation and between judging vs perceiving each of them is.

I also keep in the back of my head the elementary associations - although of course not all decks use the same. Are Kings more Air or more Fire? Depends on the deck you ask. I follow the system I'm using at that moment. Fighting the author's system while reading with his/her cards doesn't work for me.

And how do I read a court card when I see one? Intuitively ;-) Sometimes I know "that's D.". Sometimes I know "that's me approaching this whole thing rationally". And sometimes "that's me trying to follow D.s good advice"...

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Post by CharlotteK » 06 Jul 2017, 17:59

It's a tough one. I don't think I do have any particular approach. I usually see them as aspects of self - Pages seem to have a pure but undeveloped energy, Knights have drive but little subtlety, Queens are mature and can be inward looking, Kings are Leaders.

But I do sometimes identify them as being people. The Page of Cups came up for my nephew and it was obviously him. I get the Queen of Wands quite a lot.

In Dame Fortune's Wheel Tarot it does go further and suggest blond haired and brunette people in the courts. I'm not sure I can read with such a literal interpretation personally.

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Post by Wheel of Fantastic » 06 Jul 2017, 18:07

In my experience the court cards in readings have meant both personal characteristics AND actual people.

What I found quite useful recently is from 'Secrets of the Smith Waite Tarot' by Katz and Goodwin.

They describe the courts as moving through stages of experience relating to the suits in question.

For example - using Swords - the Page of Swords is unfocused thought; the Knight is directed thought; the Queen is experienced thought and the King is established thought. You then have to apply this to the real world. Pentacles are resources; Cups are emotions; Wands are ambition.

That really helped focus my thinking.

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Post by moonbear » 07 Jul 2017, 02:04

Court cards were always a problem until I finally dropped the whole 'blonde woman' 'dark haired man' routine.

I can see how in the past, when families were much larger than they are now and people lived, worked and socialised pretty well right on their own doorsteps, that everyone would have come across 'blonde women' 'dark haired men' in their day to day lives.

But I see hardly anyone apart from fellow dog walkers lol so this interpretation made no sense at all to me.


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Post by CharlotteK » 07 Jul 2017, 11:13

moonbear wrote:
07 Jul 2017, 02:04
Court cards were always a problem until I finally dropped the whole 'blonde woman' 'dark haired man' routine.

I can see how in the past, when families were much larger than they are now and people lived, worked and socialised pretty well right on their own doorsteps, that everyone would have come across 'blonde women' 'dark haired men' in their day to day lives.

But I see hardly anyone apart from fellow dog walkers lol so this interpretation made no sense at all to me.


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Lol! This made me a laugh a lot. I guess 'blonde dogs' and 'brunette dogs' doesn't really work? :)

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Re: Court cards - oh my God court cards!

Post by Kalisti » 07 Jul 2017, 15:11

Nemia wrote:
06 Jul 2017, 15:14


I don't use them as significators since I feel we all have more than one inner court card - actually, we have them all. I like Jean Shinoda Bolen's metaphor of the inner board meeting (when she talks about inner archetypes) - who is chairing my inner board meeting right now?

I use significators quite often, but I use them for how I have been feeling/behaving...for example, I'm a Pisces, but I seldom use the Queen of Chalices, unless I'm working a spiritual reading, because TBH I don't often identify with that card in my day-to-day life. For awhile, for example, I'd been emotionally distant and focused 100% on using logical problem solving skills during a financially rough patch, so I was using the Queen of Swords for the majority of my reads. After that, I started feeling inspired and creative, so the Queen of Wands began to replace the Queen of Swords, etc.

As far as reading them, I'm not terribly social so the court cards seldom mean a person when I read for myself, but instead an aspect of myself. For others, though, they court cards have accurately depicted someone significant relating to their quandary or current station in life. I let my intuition guide, for the most part, what is meant by each, and so far it's been smooth sailing since I dropped the "it must mean an actual person!" rigidity.

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Post by moonbear » 08 Jul 2017, 02:38

CharlotteKAT wrote:
07 Jul 2017, 11:13
moonbear wrote:
07 Jul 2017, 02:04
Court cards were always a problem until I finally dropped the whole 'blonde woman' 'dark haired man' routine.

I can see how in the past, when families were much larger than they are now and people lived, worked and socialised pretty well right on their own doorsteps, that everyone would have come across 'blonde women' 'dark haired men' in their day to day lives.

But I see hardly anyone apart from fellow dog walkers lol so this interpretation made no sense at all to me.


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Lol! This made me a laugh a lot. I guess 'blonde dogs' and 'brunette dogs' doesn't really work? :)
:lol: "A tall dark doberman will cross your path today.....! " Yikes!

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Post by Princess Mina » 10 Jul 2017, 00:38

Some great thoughts here, very interesting particularly seeing the courts as moving through stages of experience.

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Re: Court cards - oh my God court cards!

Post by Arcange » 11 Jul 2017, 13:18

I read that all cards can be one of four things. A person, an event, an internal element, an external element of a person.

This makes sense to me. If you take for example the Page os swords, it could be a smart but inexperienced young person, someone who has a sharp tongue. A tweet or letter. The internal element could be the nasty thinker, external could be the gossipy side of a person.

Not great examples but these 4 possiblities are easy to see with surrounding cards.
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Re: Court cards - oh my God court cards!

Post by 2dogs » 11 Jul 2017, 15:16

I was pondering the Thoth Page of Swords last week. It seemed to me she was amateurishly flailing about with a sword that worked like a magic wand and was stirring up winds, clouds, rain and lightning all over the place. The meaning at the time therefore seemed to be about a situation of creating chaos through incompetent messing about :o .
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